These are just my thoughts. I choose to believe that what Jesus did was a perfect work that cannot be added to or improved upon. What you say about 1 Peter 4:17 makes sense, but then how do we interpret the next verse? ( Log Out /  Not everyone who professes to believe is saved, and I do see this being dealt with in this context. Similarly, falling down in reverence is a perfectly normal reaction to seeing Jesus in all his true glory. Satan has been defeated and the prison walls are down. Anyhow, all this talk of universal salvation is way off the current topic (1 Pet 4:17). There’s no way around it. @Andre I was raised a Catholic, was born again in Sept. of ’87. Love will not lock you up in a prison, even a paradise like the Garden of Eden. Whether it is Ananias and Sapphira, King Herod, or even when Paul commanding blindness in Bar-jesus. And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” If an earthquake wipes out a city, it’s God judging his house. For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. 2:14] has ceased from sin, 2 # Rom. Hi Dr. Paul, thanks for the direction. Nobody is disregarding the root word. Jews, who seem chiefly designed, here; it was first preached to It’s for your own good.”. Matt 25.31. But God’s gifts are greater, right? A judgment can be good or bad, in your favor or against you, but in the New Testament krima is usually bad. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. He said they helped me without even seeing me, faith.Off the goats he said they thought they were so good in works they missed the purpose of my comming they missed me, even though they thought they were good people, they were surprised that they had not done the right work, to believe and see. The Adam Clarke Commentary, has a good entry on this, too. time was come, or at hand, that God would begin at his sanctuary, Imagine God saying ‘Sorry, you got swept away in a tsunami and drown, you are beyond the reach of my saving love.’ Um, that sounds positively bonkers! Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Well done. 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, American Standard Version. There is a day coming when Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats, but this is only bad news if you’re a goat. Because of Nero Christians were being tortured and killed for their faith in Christ. (2) Even though persecution is painful, rejoice on account of the coming glory (4:13). God knew what was going to happen and that is why Christ was ready to go even before the foundation of this world. v.19: “(you) who suffer according to God’s will”, meaning for the gospel. But you’ve still got to get up an walk out. As I preach on eternal salvation, someone confronted me with Revelation 3 “Jesus promised to SPEW the Christians out of His mouth” because they don’t please Him. I suggest you will find a more engaging audience on this recent post over on New Covenant Grace. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. Jesus did a greater work because redemption leaves us far better off than Adam was before He fell. What you describe Lou typically translates into a license to sin. In verse 19 he encourages the believers to commit themselves “to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.” Who is faithful? So the argument that God will force salvation onto everybody does not hold water – if God’s grace will override mankind’s rebellion in the spiritual dimension, why doesn’t He step in right now and put an end to all the suffering in the natural realm as well? Not at all. However, good genes means everyone has good genes. Lou, the parable doesn’t make any distinction about gentiles or Jews. (3) Don’t let these trials cause you to be ashamed – it’s actually a blessing to be insulted on account of Christ’s name (4:14,16). Interpret 1 Peter 4:17 through the lens of works and you will end up with a condemning message. How to share E2R, Copyright © 2021 of his vengeance, when they have filled up the measure of their For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith (Eph 2:8). The Gospel in Twenty Questions Jesus didn’t share your uncertainty about hell. I like this. Someone whose faith is in the former will interpret the judgment of 1 Peter 4:17 as punishment for Christians. “The Greek word translated Hell is Hades, coming from ‘a(i)des’. God has no favorites. A Living Hope 1 Peter 4:17 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 1 Peter 4:17, NIV: "For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" But ALL des not mean ALL whether they believe,recieve or not. proved by the sufferings of the saints for it: and the phrase But you then argue that we have no choice now – all will be saved. I seem to remember every knee bowing when they came to take Jesus in the garden. (non-christians) Or that this needs to be understood through the filter of the cross? substance of it; and put it away from them, judging themselves It is quite possible that there are aspects of life that we may put too much value on and other parts we do not want to accept. We have been reconciled. Would he not be unjust if he punished twice for the same offence. Contrary to popular mythology, knowing all sin has been paid for does not encourage people to go and see how deeply into sin they can jump. Where does this confidence come from? God said children won’t pay for the fathers sins. A reader asked me about this several weeks ago and I have now have post on this very topic primed to go. I believe all sin was dealt with on the cross. I propose that God never stops loving any of us (believer or unbeliever), even after death. Love your judge picture Paul.I was channel surfing and saw a particular preacher talking about the churches with this same look last night.My thought was wow that look will draw people.Very scarey.I am going to take more time looking at your articles on the churches in Revelation.Again thanks for your teachings.You do realized we have to “change” our whole way of thinking on these matters if we look at it differently than what we have been taught.One part says wow this is out there.The other parts says Has the church been wrong all these years.How could the Holy Spirit let that happen since Jesus is the head of the church? But I wanted to add something. And what should we do in response to such a message? resemble these, and serve to illustrate them. There is NO place in Scripture that suggests it does not exist. People would tell me this , but I could not wrap my head around it. imply, being introduced with the causal particle, "for"; that 6 Some were told … Rom 8:38-39 says that nothing, not even death, will be able to separate us from the love of God. Look at how Peter describes this judgment: v.12: “the fiery suffering among you that is coming to try you” Roger Hahn. In saying this, It is very simple to know that Man through Adam have lost his righteousness, because of disobedience.Than Christ comes along, and redeems man from the sin of unrighteousness that he may be righteousness once again, man has been set free from the bondage of sin and disobedience. God has his set time to favour his Zion, so likewise to chastise It refers to a rich man and a beggar, that’ it. “What then? 3:18 Christ suffered in the flesh, # 4:1 Some manuscripts add for us; some for you # [Eph. end in wrath and severe punishment on them: and whereas it is Bad things are still happening because men still adhere to their fallen state and the Church, especially in the West, is utterly in shambles, powerless. 6:14; 14:7; 2 Cor. I like this site, because we are asked to share what “we think”, rather than what god is saying. The Gospel isn’t Good News if most people will suffer an unspeakable torment forever. That one verse is clear as day don’t know what else I can write. And yet this is exactly what universalists accuse God of… He is like a life saver, pushing us into the swimming pool just so He can pull us out again. Peter encourages them with a vision of "an incorruptible and undefiled inheritance that doesn't fade away, reserved in Heaven How do you read this? “Satan has been defeated and the prison walls are down. Actually the good news is even better than that, but you get my drift. You seem to believe this. They are speaking to the vindication of the Lord. family of God: and by judgment is meant, not punishment for sin, ( when did we not ). I find nothing in life or the Bible that supports this and much evidence to support the contrary notion that we go astray or are led astray. It seems you are prepared to risk much on an uncertainty. When God gave us the freedom to choose, He knew that some would choose to reject Him and that death and eternal separation would be the result. Some people seem to take perverse delight in threatening others with the sword of God’s judgment. Israel hath not obtained that which he seeks for … God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, ears that they should not hear; unto this day.” Romans 11:8, “But ‘Have they stumbled that they should fall? This is why God provided a way out. “I wish that what you said is true, that God will save all.” You mean to tell me that my view of the Gospel is greater than God’s? If God were ever going to override our freedom, why didn’t He do that back in the garden? Look I believed in Hell for most of my life. old world of the flood, and called upon them to repent, they are What’s so Special about Christ’s Right Hand? It’s finished! Biblical Commentary (Bible Study) 1 Peter 1:17-23 EXEGESIS: THE CONTEXT: • Verses 1-2 open by identifying the author as “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ”—and the recipients as “the chosen ones who are living as foreigners (exiles) in the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia” (all located in … a time, and even as it were for a moment, for a little while; and We have been reconciled. What condemns us is our refusal to lay hold of the free gift of life (John 3:18). Rms 5:18 “justification that brings life to all men” sounds like “grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men” (Tit 2:11). It is impossible for your eye to make you stumble. 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance. 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